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Common questions specific to our product and winemaking in general can be found below. In this forum we also post answers to questions we receive by our 24 hr fax service and email. Quickly scan the questions to find your answer. If you can't find the answer, don't hesitate to contact us, by emailing us by clicking on the address on the gray sidebar.

Q. "I see in your preceeding web pages that you need a 20 L carboy, but I have an older 23 L carboy. Can I use it? Or do I need to buy a 20L carboy after all?"

S.B. London Ontario Canada

A.Our plastic canisters were designed to deliver enough juice (22L) for fermentation in one 20 L carboy (similar to 5 U.S. gallon glass water bottles) and one 4.3L gallon jug. Using a 23 L glass carboy is O.K. for the fermentation as you need some space below the neck anyway. This space prevents messy overflow and 'blow off' of the fermenting must. However, one needs to remember, that air is the number one enemy of wine after the fermentation is complete. So with this fact in mind, one can see that topping up the container is beneficial and necessary to protect the wine from oxidation. Unless you have some wine on hand (of the same variety), to top up your 23 L carboy, you must move to a smaller vessel. After you siphon off the wine to remove the sediments you will lose at least 568 ml (a pint) and you are a litre (a quart) short to begin with. Remember, you can't add that much water because you will just dilute the wine, a sin around these parts. A 19L (5 U.S. gallon) carboy, can be found at swap meets, garage sales, borrowed from friends etc. If this doesn't work, you may have to purchase it new. But remember, this purchase will ensure that you will have wine left over, in other small vessels (1.5 litre, 1 litre or 750 ml wine bottles), ready to top up your 20 L carboy after successive rackings.

Q. "How come I see that other frozen juice companies offer skins with their juices? Are they really needed and how much wine can I expect to get out of your batches compared to theirs?"

T.P. Hershey Pennsylvania U.S.

A.Allow us to begin by saying that not all red wines need to be fermented on skins to achieve their maximal character, colour and nose. Light wines such as the Gamay Beaujolais can be quite complete without such skins. Wines such as these are meant to be consumed young. If you extract a high concentration of phenols and tannins from the skins during the fermentation, your wine will be quite harsh at the target drinking age (a few months). If the juice is free of these sediments the wine is much finer, producing a palatable wine in just five months. Skins also take up quite a bit of volume. When you pay money for a full five gallons of product, you want to have at least 4 3/4 gallons of wine left over at the end. The skins in some cases, become very expensive disposables taking up litres of volume. Once you use them in the batch it is very hard to keeping re-using them without promoting bacterial and fungal infections. (You shouldn't re-use them anyway).

Q. "What is an ideal storage temperature for the wine we have made using your juices? Do I need to worry about proper lighting conditions?"

B.F. Guelph Ontario Canada

A. Most fruit cellars during the winter reach an ideal storage temperature for wine. Some may even go down to freezing. We find that 5 C or 40 F is a temperature that wine can be stored in for quite a long time (4 years). Once the temperature begins to increase during the summer, people find their cellars can reach 60 F / 15 C. This is a little high. In these cases, many people feel that it would be a good idea to increase the dosage of stabilizer ( 20% ascorbic acid and 80% potassium metabisulphite NEVER potassium sorbate), to insure stability in the bottle. Just remember that for every degree F warmer than 40 F you can subtract 2 months off of the lifetime of the stored wine. If you have storage temperatures higher than 60 F you shouldincrease the dosage of stabilizer accordingly to keep the wine stable. If you do this, you increase the sulfur content of your wine. But beware. Some people find that the stabilizer content in commercial wines is too high (however the commerical wines are stable at up to 70 F), and these people get headaches and other malaise from the sulfur content. We promote cold storage temperatures because you don't need to add very much stabilizer and your wine is closest to being chemical free. As for lighting conditions we would recommend pitch darkness. Minimize the light because ultraviolet light will visually oxidize white wine and red wines will obtain a brownish hue.

Q. "How many times should a wine be racked before bottling? Also, should sulfites be added at each racking and if so how much?"

N.M. Pittsburgh Pennsylvania US

A. The number of rackings depends upon the level of clarity you wish to achieve. If you have a white you want to get your wine as clear as possible. This may involve filtering the wine (if you have access to one, or own a filter machine) to meet some predetermined deadline, i.e. you want it in time for Christmas. If you are vinifying a red wine, then you rack as many times as you need to achieve a reasonable amount of clarity. As you may know, most reds don't need any filtration. The bottom line for any wine depends on how clear you want it and when, that is what dictates the number of rackings before bottlings. As to the addition of potassium metabisulphite, we recommend it be added ONLY TWICE in the life of the wine. You stabilize the wine (with one level teaspoon per 5 gallons) right after the fermentation is done. The second stabilization occurs before bottling your wine. This may be 3 months later or 13 months later. This last dose ( one level tsp per 5 gallons), ensures that the wine in your bottles in stable for its storage. Remember, the lower storage temperature you have, the better because you don't have to add as much stabilizer (80% potassium metabisulphite and 20% ascorbic acid, [Vit C]). Do NOT add more stabilizer to your wine than this. If you do, you will increase your total sulfite levels and basically make the wine undrinkable, i.e. it will start to taste like sulfur.

Q. "I have done all the steps now, and I am just about ready to bottle. However, I do want to sweeten it up just a tad. Can you send me details and procedures on how best to do this? "

R.G. Houston Texas U.S.

A. You should be able to go to any store that sells winemaking supplies and purchase the so-called sweetener/conditioner. It is in fact an invert sugar (that has been modified so that yeast cannot effectively metabolise it). Do not add table sugar or glucose, as you will have a re-ferment (an unwanted renewed fermenation). If you absolutely cannot find a reliable source we can ship you 8 oz. size that we produce.

Q. " In grocery stores in Canada and the United States you can find juices labelled 'Made from concentrate.' Why would they take the fruit, squeeze the juice out and concentrate it, only to put water back to make the final product? Why not just bottle the juice directly?"

S.S. Naperville Illinois U.S.

A. Most suppliers would answer that juice is concentrated so that larger quantities can be shipped at a lower price. The water is put back into the concentrate at the juice destination. Our question is "What kind of water?" We also wonder about other compounds that may be stripped when concentration takes place. Obviously the bottom line here is price, not necessarily quality.

Q. "When introducing yeast to the juice we have never added pectic enzyme to our reds. Is this highly recommended? Should we be adding additional substances to the whites?"

A. The most important polysaccharides found in grapes are pectins, which consist of galacturonic acid & methyl galacturonate chains crosslinked with various sugars. The pectin content (mainly in red wines), usually falls into a range of 0.1 - 0.2 %. Pectin splitting enzymes are found in the skins of grapes, but when natural pectic enzymes are insufficient, the winemaker often adds a commerical preparation to aid in clarification. Pectins exist in must and wines, (mainly red) as negatively charged colloidal particles, tending to form hazes resistant to traditional forms of clarification. Furthermore, since our red grapes are hot pressed to extract the anthocyanins (natural colouring agents) from the skins, this usually reduces the important pectic enzymes. As we mentioned, pectic enzymes should be added before or during fermentation to clarify the juice or wine. White juices are not hot pressed for extracting any colour, thus we do not need to add the pectic enzymes to clarify the finished product. (See more about the clarification of white wines further on).

Q. "We always rack after five weeks of fermentation. The S.G. is generally between 992 to 995. What are the down sides of leaving it longer than five weeks? What are the benefits?"

A. The indicator for the prefered dryness is the hydrometer. Each juice (properly termed must), is always a different entity. Five weeks is definitely too long to leave the fermentation. After 8-10 days of fermentation at room temperature 21 C - 72 F, your SG will be very close to 1000 if not already below this. Now is the time to rack off the wine from the sediments. The prompt removal of yeast cells from new wine is desirable; this protects the wine from nitrogenous substances released both by excretions of the living yeast cells and the autolysis of dead cells. Nitrogenous excretions increase after the death of the yeast when autolysis (self-digestion of cellular constituents) occurs. Autolysis liberates strong reducing enzymes and produces compounds unpleasant to the taste and smell, but also favour the growth of lactic acid bacteria and so render the wine more susceptible to bacterial spoilage.

Q. "On the first rack we use a chemical called Tannisol. Any thoughts? What do you recommend?"

A. Tannisol is a stabilizer of Italian origin. It consists of 95% potassium metabisulphite, 3% Ascorbic acid, 2% tannin. For most people, sulphites are safe in small amounts. If you are sensitive to sulphites don't use them. Dosage: max 1.3 tablets per 100 litres. In our store we use our own stabilizer made from 80% potassium metabisulphite and 20% ascorbic acid (Vitamin C).

Q. "We don't add gelatin or keiselsol to the white or reds. Advantages or disadvantages?

A. We recommend using the kieselsol and gelatin in combination for the white wines only. It has been noticed by many other experienced winemakers (professional and amateur), that keiselsol may remove the colour from the reds. Therefore don't use it on your reds for clarification. Gelatin helps bind the proteins and above mentioned polysaccharides into physically larger molecules. The keiselsol (colloidal silica), binds to this gelatin matrix and aids in percipitation and sedimentation.

Q. "I made a batch of Ice Wine in your store last year. I noticed other "brew on premises" had Ice Wine 'juice' for considerably less per liter. Why is this so?"

L.M. Guelph Ontario Canada

A. First of all, our Ice Wine juice comes directly from one of the famous North American Ice Wine regions, the Niagara region of Ontario Canada. Second, our Ice Wine juice is pure and NOT FROM CONCENTRATE. The other stores have Ice wine concentrate. Obviously, the concentrate quality is much lower and cannot compare to the liquid gold you will be able to possess with genuine Ontario Ice Wine juice at 35 Brix.

Q. "If I need to add Vit C (ascorbic acid) to my stabilizing solution, can I do it with Vit C tablets?"

T.J. Gary Indiana U.S.

A. Yes you can. As a rough guideline, use one 500 mg Vit C tablet (crushed into a powder and dissolved in warm water), per 5 US gal. / (20 litre), carboy.

Q. "Do I need to add tannin or acid blend to your juices?"

D.C. Oklahoma City Oklahoma U.S.

A. The grapes for our juices are harvested when the grapes are at their peak. This means that mother nature ensures that our product is properly balanced. All this is closely monitored by the professionals at each winery. Therefore, there is no need to adjust any acid levels or deacidify (including using malolactic fermentation for deacidification), for that matter. There is also no need to add tannin to our red juices either. Our juices are simple to vinify with no mysteries like the mystery of package "F" found in other kits.

Q. "Do I need to worry about my water being hard (or soft) when making your juices?"

F.G. Atlanta Georgia U.S.

A. Other than rinsing and cleaning your winemaking equipment, it makes no difference what type of water you use. Since you NEVER add water to our juices (because they pure fresh juice, mother nature's own). It is not a great concern like it is for other winemaking products.

Q. "Where do I obtain Canadian prices (in Ontario specifically), for your juices?"

D.F. Manotic Station Ontario Canada

A. We remind people that they should go to their favourite winemaking or beermaking shop and ask the retailer. The local retailer will have prices that differ depending on their geographic location from our warehouse. If he/she doesn't have prices you want, ask that retailer to contact us for pricing information. In fact, you may want to print out one of our web pages and show your local retailer.

Q. "I am looking for a product that is free of chemicals. I find that I am alergic to many of chemicals found in other 'kits' such as potassium sorbate. What about your product, is it different?"

C.R. Des Moines Iowa U.S.

A. Well, where do we begin. First and foremost, we do not encourage the use of potassium sorbate in most winemaking procedures. Therefore you can be assured that our juices do not contain this compound. Otherwise starting the fermentation would be impossible since potassium sorbate is a very effective inhibitor of fermentation. Our preservation technique and sterility at the time of filling allows us to do away with the messy chemical balancing act that other producers (kit makers actually manufacture their product like nuts and bolts).We go to great lengths to ensure that our grapes come from vineyards which practice 'natural fertilization' techniques. They use only animal derived products and very little of insecticides if any. Even our finished product is devoid of the compound in question. In fact, our product conforms to stringent L.L.B.O. standards.

Q. "Why is you product better than similar homewinemaking kits?"

M.W. Bedford Nova Scotia Canada

A. The answer is very simple. First of all, we are not selling or promoting any concentrate "21 day kits." Our pure fresh grape juices (properly termed musts), are exactly the same composition as the must used by the afore mentioned wineries. The wineries' musts go on to make QbA and D.O.C. wines. Furthermore, our staff are always present at the harvest, pressing and the filling of the containers. The staff insure proper sterility without any infringing on quality. The imported juices adhere to required parameters. Next time ask your supplier of the wine "kits" if he or she is present during the complex processing of the grapes to the concentrate.

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